CultUre

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As Daffodil changes and ages, this old man's mind turns to the possibilities and challenges of the future.

All is fleeting, permanence is an illusion - but what can we do to preserve our people's nascent traditions into the future? Hand jive, secret codes? Discuss.......
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  • Re: CultUre

    Mon, February 9, 2004 - 7:37 PM
    First would be to figure out what our people's nascent traditions are, and then to figure out which are worth keeping. Personally being of the opinion that ripping out almost our entire culture and starting new wouldnt be a bad idea myself, I would need to know what we are coding to corrupt future minds with first.

    Although, fairy tales and children's stories tend to last the longest. People ignore thier importance, and so they carry their secrets into eternity.
  • Re: CultUre

    Mon, February 9, 2004 - 11:01 PM
    I beleive Freign refers to the smoky and clouded secret practices in the not so distant past of our cult. Some of the traditions; as so many are throughout the ages, were founded be repetitious circumstance rather than planned culture; though we had our share of that as well. Mostly I think the thing to preserve is the mindset, but there are elements of it that would be impractical, if not impossible, to recapture. How to revive the cult without the hedonism that once feuled it? How to encourage that spark of life that set the soul aflame without the associated conflict and disaster?

    The next generation has to want it; otherwise we have nothing to give.
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    Re: CultUre

    Tue, February 10, 2004 - 12:22 AM
    Children's stories.... funny you should mention those.....


    ...interesting thought, really. I have a narrative, "Ortenza", based on a script for a daffodil show that never materialized (couldn't find enough people willing to have a lit candle in their bum - pansies) that is basically modeled on the Children's Story format.

    Probably won't be the next "Alice" though.....


    ye idea is strong, though. Ludmilla works with children and is constantly researching children's stories. D'be a good line to study with deliberation: what children's stories promote the mindset we want future people to have?

    I'll tell you this: that fuckin' Cinderella/Sleeping Beauty/Snow White/ so forth shite is pure poison. Just look at what it's done.

    Ulysses for the wee ones! ...and Gormenghast!!! Leave the little fuckers too afraid to sleep: that'll learn 'em.
    • Re: CultUre

      Wed, February 11, 2004 - 10:55 AM
      I beg to disagree on the fairy tales. If not Disney you speakith of, they are actually very powerful and not even child friendly. There is more ancient wisdom hidden in those tales than anyone realizes.

      If Disney...again, same thing. Walt was a follower of the Knight's Templar, and his early tales are filled with more pagan symbology than ou can shake a stick at. I must also say (as an example of basterdized and gutted Disney films by critics), the Cinderella thing is waaaay out of hand. I recall being entranced by that as a child, and the lesson I brought from it was when little miss was sobbing in the garden, everything has gone wrong, and there's no way ever it could work out now. And then her fairy godmother appears, and says she is there because, even then, little miss never gave up hope. And it blew my eight year old mind, that someone could still hope, still have faith even when the world collapsed around them. The later to-do about the "passive female" bit--never noticed it as a kid. I wasnt trained to look for it, so that bit went right over my head.

      We think we kow what kids see, but we dont. We thihk we know what we're feeding them, but we dont. Tales we dissect, look down our noses at, and relegate to the back wall of the nursery are the original tales of wonder, power, gods, faith, honor, and other things that originally made this world spin. And when we dont sacharine them to sugar sweetness, we continue to feel the impact, even when we dont know why anymore.

      Heh. Done my own bit of research on children's tales, though mostly from a religious bent. For the record, being raised on the Illiad and the Oddessy never hurt me. (Much.)
      • Re: CultUre

        Wed, February 11, 2004 - 2:10 PM
        functionally, I agree on many points, but as a pessimist myself, who on occasion has to be remind of this as well: its not EVERYONE. Some people understand children. I do not count myself in that category, But I've seen evidence. Most frequently these individuals have had their own children, or are from families with many children to go around. Some people out there, know how to present information and Memes for the child-mind to absorb.

        Cases of Note? Neil Gaimen. His writing has sophistication, his stories big concepts, his style is challenging; but the language is aproachable by the young mind. Admirable. Shel Silverstein. He has the courage to trust children to get the joke. In a way he lets them inside the world of Humor, shows them mild complexity and Irony. Roald Dahl. Another good example of higher writing skill applied to simple language. His stories unlock levels of understanding in children's minds that set them on a program of reading. Few authors spur children to read like him.

        I agree about the original Fairy Tales; but they are no longer told. perhaps that is an avenue for us: Clasic Fairy Story stuf? does that suit us? I think Our target audience is a bit older, but elements from there could help to build a foundation of theory.

        ....your thoughts on that.....?

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